To be inspiring is so nice…
There was a time in which trace was known as trace the ripper…
On those days r08028 was told to be a copy of a deepness in the sky, mdma a copy of 604, and pilgrimage invitation was the deffinitive rip: more than three rips in just one demo.
But seems like time passes, and suddenly one day you discover nice similarities between one of your demos and a newly released one. That is, I saw the Black Birdie invitation screenshot and thought how nice! this is so similar to my Blue Tuesday! What a coincidence! But as I didn't feel motivated enough to turn on the PC and run the demo, I let it go. Then the (in)famous Shanethewolf told in pouet:
Wait a minute…I've seen this demo before. Oh no, it's just that it's a complete copy of Blue Tuesday but nowhere near as good.
Sure, they credit the ripped music, but why aren't there any credits for the original demo they copied/remixed?
And the demo author replied:
actually, i didnt have blue tuesday in mind while i was doing this. it was rather the asm04 invitro by moppi and fresh! that gave me insperation to do some mix of them both since i had a ribboneffect.
I didn't come to think of blue tuesday till now that you mention it, but sure, they are alike.
Ok, so I was certain then, it was pure coincidence. Then you go one day, and find the releases for that party (Black Birdie). Ok let's see what are they like… Ohmm not again!… more coincidences on green destruction by Digital Devotion … Several rotating objects, the layout, are very similar to the style of some xplsv vj gigs, and maybe even to vslpx. How funny! But we thought, that must have been a simple coincidence, so we didn't start any kind of troll-powered discussion in the demo comments.
The day after, Gargaj says what all of us were thinking but no one dared to say:
i lack a greet for TPB and/or XPLSV :)
and the author makes the long awaited confession:
oh yeah, i knew i missed something. BIG greetings to XPLSV for their stuff that inspired me in the first place!
So seems like this is a happy end… finally all the truth is discovered. Maybe it would have been better to simply send a greet or a ownage or something at first instead of letting the others think maliciously about your behaviour. In any case I feel very pleased of seeing that one of my demos has been imitated.
In fact, I had the same sensation past year when the bcnparty100 invitation was released. That one looked terribly similar to broken minds, the demo that we released at bcnparty11, but sucked terribly.
I didn't say anything on the pouet comments to not to give an image of being overcritical and intransigent with bcnparty, but that one unpleased me absolutely. Music was horrible, code was extremely slow and it didn't work as an invitation at all. Not to mention the terrible non-sense it was, even if they tried to justify it with the party slogan ("Scene makes dementia")
I know our demo was also very complicated to follow (our initial script wasn't developed enough, so the idea of the demo is not very clear I think). But it didn't got frozen in the middle when some metaballs appeared with no reason!
Gosh! to ask for more than a radeon9000 and a pentium 4 for seeing a metaballs scene is destroying the demoscene spirit!!
humphr3y
20051006
Bah… hacemos una compo de inspiration demos y andando… XD
sole
20051006
Si que la gente se inspire me parece genial. Que ademas muchas veces tenemos influencias y ni nos damos cuenta. Es cuando se tratan de ocultar y negar las influencias lo que me toca los ovarios!
firebite
20051006
Buenas!
Aunque no soy muy dado a dejar comentarios en blogs sceners aunque si a leerlos :), encuentro necesario comentar este post ya que, en parte, me encuentro involucrado.
Puedo asegurar que en ningun momento tuvimos en mente la \'broken minds\' mientras pensamos la inv., es más el diseño original era una demo de 4 minutos y por falta de tiempo y descoordinación entre grupos se vieron reducidos a 2 minutos.
Tambien puedo asegurar y me gustaría que quedase muy claro, que en ningun momento, al menos por miembros de dust inc., se ha negado o intentado ocultar similitudes e influencias de ambas producciones.
Por último decir que, desgraciadamente, la inv. no es lo que quisimos hacer y a ningun miebro de dust inc. le dejo un buen sabor de boca. Es más algunos miembros de dust inc. hubiesen preferido no haberla sacado.
Feliciades por el nuevo dissenyo y gracias por hacer mas amenas mis horas de trabajo leyendo tu blog!
Eso es todo,nos vemos en la BCN :)
sole
20051006
hey… la verdad es que despues de escribir el post pense que me habia pasado un poco, pero me alegro de que os lo tomeis a buenas… aunque reconozco que quiza me haya pasado un poco en el tono… mea culpa… lo de la bcn no se no se… como no me convenzais lo veo chungo X)
Y me alegro de que te guste el blog!! :D
sole
20051006
Y bueno, puestos a buscar inspiraciones, creo que fue utopian el que dijo que broken minds le recordaba sospechosamente a kaptah/rgba.
Obviamente, no, no queriamos rippear a kaptah, el hecho de que apareciera un hombre en un loquero es parte del argumento de nuestra demo y obviamente tiene su justificacion. Y el grafista entendio "un loco desesperado en un loquero" como lo tipico, posicion fetal, histerico… De hecho, el grafista no habia visto kaptah porque pocas demos habia visto :)
Debe ser algo de la consciencia colectiva esa…
humphr3y
20051006
Asi que ahora cuando vemos un feto en su posición fetal, todos pensamos que estamos fetales… digo fatales… digoo… locos!
sole
20051006
No se donde vi que una de las posiciones que adopta la gente cuando va a morir era la fetal, porque de alguna manera se sienten mas protegidos.
Esto es instintivo, parece ser.
Pero no me acuerdo donde lo vi por mas que lo intento, creo que lo lei cuando todas mis fuentes de informacion eran en papel, asi que imaginate si hace tiempo…
utopian
20051007
Sole, no dije que la broken minds me "recordara" a la kaptah :) Fue sólo la escena del loco tirado en el suelo, que al verla me pareció clavada… Y lo dije sin acritud, aunque no se entendiese así ;).
Lo de que una demo "inspire" otra nunca me ha parecido mala idea, claro que dentro de un orden. Si te inspiras demasiado, salen cosas como la 195/95/256 :P
sole
20051007
Si si, todo sin acritud :)
Si no, no lo habria puesto aqui (lo de tu comentario). Lo que pasa es que estaba ya cansada para ir, copiarlo y pegarlo. Buen rollito…